You've been doing this a long time and have watched the hamsters far longer than myself. (I watched BB1 if that's worth anything... LOL)
Anyhow, I guess gameplay is gameplay. People are rude and mean to each other... it's expected.
BUT
The level of Dick's verbal attacks on Jen was, for me, pretty scary. The use of such sexual language from a 44 yo man to a 20-ish girl felt really icky. I mean he really got carried away.
I don't know the laws or policies about this stuff. But the stuff he was saying would get him in trouble in just about any setting.
Plus the iced-tea pouring was a stupid prank.
Does Jen deserve it? I bet she does. But does she deserve to have a creepy older guy (I'm one myself btw.. LOL) make references to her smell genitals and sucking his penis, etc.? No. That's too much. If it's not abusive, it's really bad behavior.

I just love a good disaster, a good argument, deceit, bullying, lying, showmance, etc. etc. It's all part of the game. They all knew what they were signing up for. I hope the games are just beginning and they get bigger and better. I don't even think the tea was so bad. I though it was funny. He's (BIG DICK) letting us know where the boundries are - and they're pretty far out there.

Dick did go too far last night, but, Jen is playing him like Will played others last year. Jen has remained pretty steady but she is a real EVIL player like Dick. This is a game. If it was a house of Jessica's and Kail's we would all nod off ...I think that they should do away with the veto for a week..or have Eric do something more outlandish. I hope Dustin turns on Kail and sends her home..not use her as a pawn. I definitely don't want to see her in sequestor. Nick would be a much better member of that house.
Dick is also under a very different type of pressure..he has his daughter, a personal part of him, in the house. This ups the ante when someone is hurting someone you love. Just think if it was your kid in there being tormented by JEN. You would probably act in a more extreme manner.

I think Jen is enjoying every bit of this. She is instigating most of it. Did you see last night when Dick and Jess were in the hot tub and she sat there for a good 10 min staring and aggravating them. She lied to the other house guest also on how the whole tea thing went down. Her name calling and other accusations are just as bad as Dick. Read between the lines of what she says and does.

Did Dick get kicked out????

From HD - No

jen asks for most of what she gets. She followed him all day long trying to bait him. It worked. She is trying to get him kicked out of the house. It takes two to tango.

This isn't a case of conflicting personalities like past seasons. This is a vile man verbally abusing anyone he can in order to make himself feel better.

Verbal sparring is one thing. Spewing such filth at someone on a continuous basis is simple harrassment. Not entertaining at all.

The tea incident was to far. It was an act of physical violence against another house guest. If that's ok, what's next? Trip her down the stairs to the HoH room and say 'Oops sorry'?

This was not a case of people playing around ala Jen/Eric wrestling or Eric/Jess pillow fight. It was done in anger and should not go unpunished. Immediate eviction would be prefered but a penalty nomination would be better than nothing.

I must add that I am really losing respect for the other house guests more and more. None of them like to be attacked by this thug yet none of them are willing to stand up to him. You don't treat people like that AND you also don't let someone else treat others that way. Just very disappointing.

Bart - Who said this was a case of playing around? I didn't and I haven't read of anybody else saying that either. And if you think this is the worst spewing of filth you've ever heard on Big Brother then you either haven't been watching very long or paying very good attention.

Also, nobody has advocated violence in the house so your 'tripping her down the stairs' statement is completely irrelevant.

And BTW, Jen has been standing up to Dick. Maybe she's not standing up to him the way you'd like her to but she has. If BB felt Dick was abusing Jen, he'd be kicked out. BB has done it before and I don't think for a moment that they wouldn't do it again. The opposite side of the coin is that Jen is free to leave the house at any time she likes.

I would have liked to see someone walk by and dump a tea on DANIELLE. Her tone with JEN was obnoxious. I kind of agree with JEN's tea conversation. I hope we can vote on who ERIC will dump tea on next!

Sorry ciao, but that's ageism, if ED were 22 would sexual language be perceived as equally offensive?

Is ED crude, yes, would I invite him to dinner with my granny, no.

Now I'd be shocked if ED spoke to Jam like that, but he wouldn't because she doesn't put out a raunchy "whatever" vibe, Jen does, she thrives on attention from the male HGs, any attention.

Plus Jen seems quite able to take care of her self and is so self-involved that very little penetrates her inner serenity...in an odd way it's an asset in BB.

As HD points out, it's a game for a considerable amount of money, not real life. HGs constantly look for buttons to push, it's part of the game play.

Howie's treatment of April was much worse and it made viewers and the jury despise him. So I suspect Jen's doing the button pushing with ED not the other way around...she's turning the women against him to isolate he and Dani..her original targets.

Jen is dumb like a fox and if the men don't wise up, keep Nick and form an alliance...there may be four women in the finals; Kail, Jam, Amber and Jen.

Ooooo... that might be fun, cuz these four have actual personalities unlike Maggie's pathetic herd.

HamsterDame I understand what you are trying to say and I agree to a point. I don't mind name calling and cussing and arguments. But the hideous things Dick said were beyond all that. I like to see drama but bullying makes me uncomfortable. Penalty nomination would get the point across I think, sounds good to me.

Does anyone remember from BB2 when Shannon used Hardy's toothbrush to clean the toilet with?? Ewwww ! Shannon was actually alot like Jen in relation to vainness, but I think Shannon trumps Jen in bad behavior. Shannon told one of the female HG's (who was a little on the heavy side) to go eat a bag of potato chips!! Can't remember the girl's name but it made her cry. LOL

*applauds wildly* A sane viewer voice followed by more of the same! Thanks HD - you said all I would have said and more. That's EXACTLY my feelings on it, and the liberal word of abuse by other folks really gets under my skin.

A penalty nomination would be interesting at this point.
I feel like this season is no different than past seasons.
I think the great thing about being a BB fan is that we have almost a year to forget what happened on the previous season.
In forgetting, everything is much more interesting; even if we've seen it a dozen times before.
And if you don't forget what happened, you almost always forget your reaction/emotion felt.
Nothing is really that new in the house this year.
We've had people like Dick before, and some of them have been our favorites.

I started off this season with ED as one of my favorites. I thought he was going to be a great example of "don't judge a book by it's cover". Unfortunately, his recent behavior has steadily eroded my initial opinion of him.

I think it's very easy to identify where Dick's tirades crossed the line. For example, Dick went on several tirades against Kail, however, those involved calling her out on her actions in the game (i.e. exposing when she told different stories to different people or exposing her alliance). That's completely fair game and the fact that Dick chose to do it in a very loud and very public way doesn't change the fat it was fair game. Whether it was smart game is an entirely different subject, I'm not sure I'd want to make a habit of loudly exposing things people told me because pretty soon, people would decide to stop confiding in me. Some of Dick's earlier rants against Jen were, I think, fair game as well. Calling her out on her self centered behavior, that's fine; calling her out for trying to bully Amber before the POV competition when he and Danielle were on the block, again fine. All of those things are directed towards her behavior and are tied to the conduct of the game.

Last night was a completely different story. Those rants against Jen weren't tied to her behavior at all and they weren't connected to the game. They were just vile, personal attacks. RP, are you kidding me?

Now is this technically against the rules, I don't think so, but that doesn't change the fact that it is just wrong. Furthermore, I don't think it's particularly bright gameplay. I certainly don't watch the feeds 24/7 although I do catch some of BBAD most nights and I really think that Dick has missed that the anti Jen sentiment in the house seems to have shifted some. She's toned things down a bit and seems to be getting along better with folks. I think Dick has assumed that the feelings regarding Jen have remained static and to do that is, I believe a mistake. He's already got Kail actively campaigning against him all the time and now he's lost Amber who he was originally fairly tight with. If he keeps acting this way, then he's going to alienate more people and put himself out of the running to win.

I agree with the different "gaming" techiniques. I enjoy watching the way the game unfolds as the time goes by. I have watched every season and am a BIG fan. The back and forth activity between Jen and ED is pretty entertaining when it is called for. She is definately provoking him and I LOVE it! However, ED's bullying is not enjoyable for me at all. Not just with Jen, but the others (i.e. Kail, Amber). He seems very pleased with himself when he breaks someone down. I know that Howie did this to April in the past, but ED's actions and words go way over the line a lot of the time. I don't like the personal vulgar attacks on Jen. It grosses me out. I would have also liked to have seen a Penalty Nom for ED. That would have been interesting.
I am rooting for Jen to break ED down. I just hope no one gets hurt in the process.

I think all the bad talk the verbal abuse is all part of the game but the moment Dick went physical he should have been gone. He says the stuff he does is game play but when someone does it to him he cant take it but in all fairness Jen should not have to put up with that had he did that to someone else he would have been in a fight I think he did it to Jen because she was a girl he would have never done that to another guy I think he is a chicken on the inside thats why he runs his mouth and picks on the girls.

HOW MANY RED BLOODED STRAIGHT MALES WOULD RATHER WATCH JUSTIN OR ZACK THAN JEN? I'AM BEGINING TO THINK MAYBE "DICK" IS NOT A DICK.

Dick is a vile, psycho who is threatening way way too much, there should be some concern for his behavior toward Jen and Kail by BB and also the HG's. Nick is leaning toward being like ED. Fun is fun but ED and Nick are past fun, they are scary. I don't buy his "loving father" bit one little bit either. Just hope that the HG's get some smarts and unload this guy, won't mind a bit if Nick leaves tonight and I am not a Kail fan but would rather not even have him on the show. It is just a game but CBS should not allow what is happening. I have watched every season and Will, Howie, and others have not reached the limits of ED or Nick.

Believe me, Jen is NOT that dumb! She is prevoking Dick to use his reaction as gameplay. She wants Dick & Dani GONE. She knew no one would listen to her strategicly (look what happened when she tried that angle with Whamber in the veto comp....it backfired!) She's a smart cookie and knows that Dick is his own worst enemy, if his lips are movin he's digging his own grave!
That said..Dick was one of my favs at first. I am starting to like him less and less each time he does something like this. I do think however he is a "gamer" and I like to see a fight in people (Jen's got it too). I just hope he wises up and realizes that Nick would be a great ally!

Do I think he crossed "the" line? NO. Jen has the ability to remove herself from the situation or not put yourself there in the first place! She was following him around like a lost puppy and if it bothered her that much she wouldn't subject herself to that! I think she handles Dick brilliantly, She is getting to him more than he is getting to her!

This is a game people.....what' good for the goose, is good for the gander! If other players can use God as a stratgey by saying it's predestined so you can't get mad if I use the veto (Jameka)...You can't get upset with Dick for verbally braeking someone down. After all they are ALL playing for money, remember they can leave if they really want to!

My biggest problem with ED's behavior is that it's not being shown on CBS. America controls Eric's vote and America isn't getting all of the information! Dick could have been gone already if Eric hadn't been made to vote out Joe. (He might have voted out Joe but Kail was making a strong case against Evil, sadly for her she didn't no it was pointless)

Unfortunately, ED made friends with the feedsters from the getgo with Dick at Night and seeming to tell things like it is. CBS also wanted to have their reunion of father and daughter so they don't show Dani trashing her Dad every chance she gets either.

From the second Jen won HoH it was obvious she has a brain and is using it. She put up ED and Dani for pure strategy not jealously and she's not really getting the credit she deserves.

ED is a bully who could never control Kail or Jen and that drives him insane. He can play nice with all of the other HG's all he wants, but I don't think he can control it much longer.

Now that the HG's are finally seeing the light, I assume that CBS will have to start showing some of it, although since ED just runs countless obscenities together I imagine it will be hard to follow what he is saying :)

I think that the house is going to let HoH fall to Jen or Kail and let them do the dirty work of getting ED out of the house. Well, that's my wish anyway!

G, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Jen knows which buttons of Dick's to push to get him pissed off and he falls for it every time. She's no dummy. Jen is using what she has to keep the target off herself and on Dick. Dick is definitley a JERK when it comes to Jen but they both contribute to the situation.

Dick is over the top and so is Jen and that's whats makes the house interesting. If there was a bunch of Kails and Jamekas all in the house that just want to read the Bible and get along, there would be no BB because it would put us to sleep.

The game is what it always has been about conflict because they are all playing for some serious cash. Not enough to quit working forever but enough to change your life for a while. So I say lets not get so serious and sensitive because it is a game after all.

I was thinking last night about Zach...as gross as I think he is, he is like a guppy compared to Howie in the sexual perversion LOL! And I loved it every time Howie called that twit 'busto', but favorite, and I do mean favorite all time remark made on bb was when busto got the gifts on her birthday and she did declare "KAY MIRT LUVS ME! KAY MIRT REALLY LOVES ME!" oh my God, to me that was the dumbest and funniest remark I have ever heard on tv!

As for dick dumping the tea on jen, well, yeah it was crossing the line, but it was funny too. she gives as good as she gets, she's not innocent by any means. in all honesty, she amuses me with her reactions to him as well. they do carry the show. it would not be quite as interesting without those two on there. jessica and eric are funny, but those 2 create the drama worth watching. I don't care for ambers drama at all, she's like a sniveling baby ready to bad mouth anyone who makes her mad, and let's face it, everyone in the house makes her mad. she doesn't know any kind of loyalty. Anyway, I'm sure Jen has had much worse thrown her way in life and will have considering the line of work she's in, and considering her personality. so, get over it people. it was not illegal and I don't think it was abuse. she provoked it, plain and simple. she needs to learn to keep her big mouth shut and learn how to say things in a way that isn't so irritating and hurtful to others. it amazes me that she thinks she is a good and innocent person.

One of the best posts I've read, HD. You nailed it. This is indeed a game, one of a social experiment. There is no script, blueprint, or any agenda to be followed. Let the games begin. While I don't want to see any hamsters physically harmed I enjoy the verbal sparring, the prank behavior... it's a game. (Don't we do this every year... the "it's a game" posts... hahaha)

Hi HD" I'd do that for a dollar". Jen got what Jen deserved period. She then went up to the hoh and put a whole different spin on what was the truth and what was Jen's truth?? She followed ED every where and when asked to back off by ED and Nick she continued to egg them on knowing it was pissing them off, she knew what she was doing. If someone said what she said I would of poured ice tea and more on her to. Thanks again for letting me put in my 2 cents.Have a great day:)

I totally agree, HD....this is a game and all of the displayed behaviors are legal. IMO the tea incident wasn't to far....just not really called for.

But I think some of the tyraids that he goes off on or bully-sessions are a little much. But to me, it seems nicer, so to speak, then what Howie did to Busto.

Jen is a bully too, just in sheep's clothing. Least you all forget she was trained by Will and Boogie....she's playing this game harder than given credit for. She did instigate this all yesterday by following ED around and pestering him.

I have to remind myself sometimes THIS IS A GAME!!! Some of you seem to be taking it so personally or trying to create "forums" out of it. It is what it is...a game. And we, as watchers, are just fans on the sidelines.

I must say it does seem to me that there is so much more drama this year around than I can ever remember before. Particularly amongst so many different people. Not all of it has ED involved, either.

THanks again, HD.
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The tea thing... is just being made bigger than it really was. Granted he poured the tea on her head out of anger but he also threw a handful of flour in Eric's face. They knew what they signed up for. As for Kail crying for an entire day because she didn't like what she saw, boo hoo to her. Now I didn't like Dick from the beginning and I still don't like him but honestly just the tea thing is no big deal. The other stuff maybe, but its all just words and words only have meaning if you give them meaning.

I cannot believe the remarks from people that want to have a boring life Watching Amber and Jamika read the bible. It is a game for the tuffest of the tuff. If these wimpy people cannot handle it,why are they there or watching. If I had to watch Kail and Amber kind of people I would not watch.It is like watching paint dry. It is not a nicy nicy game. All these sappy people will go up at some time and they will not be treated like babies.Will be doing stuff behind their backs.They will be ignored and shunned.Oh what a shock it will be.

I like Dick (good tv and seemly good guy) but the tea thing was too far. I think a nomination for the tea is also tooooo far. To me it seems that Dani could run away with the game and Jen is the only one that sees that. She is well liked and has her father and Nick in her hand. I feel bad for Jen at times and I think she is smart to go after Dani. On the other hand she seem to get whats coming to her some times. I just say if she can take then go for it.

I completely agree with you, HD. People really are getting too worked up over this whole tea thing. I won't lie - I don't like all that comes out of ED's mouth, but that's his game and so far it's working for him. Will he make it to the end, probably not and if he does, I don't think there's a chance he could win. Anyway, I think you stated your case very well and I wholeheartedly agree!

I have faithfully watched BB since it began with Chicken George and the gang!

I think that Dick is awesome, he's my favourite this season. Come on, Jen is a robot, she loves all of the attention good or bad! Dick just speaks his mind and provides us with some great entertainment! How boring would BB be with a bunch of mousy, quiet, non-confrontational people, VERY BORING. The whole reason for BB is to put a whole bunch of different personalities in a house and see what happens. They all had to expect that this kind of stuff would happen, if they didn't then they obviously haven't watched the show. Remember the toothbrush incident, I mean that was classic mean spirited BB and I'm sure everyone told all of their friends and couldn't wait to tune in for the next episode to see what would happen.

Those of you who think Dick should be kicked out or whatever need to take a step back and remember what BB is all about.

OK! Love it or hate it, it happened.....

Since there is no consequences for soaking somebody with tea....

I can see retaliation in the form of Jen taking the hose to ED as he is setting there huffing on a cig, blowing his snot, farting and belching like the pig he is....

AAAHH I can only dream... ;-)

Ok, one small comment before I move to the topic of this post. I agree with those who have said that not only has Jen been pushing the buttons and looking for a confrontation (come on people, she told us out loud when she was the HOH that this is exactly what she wanted. It took her a while to get it but this is exactly what Jen wants to be happening and she continues to work hard to make it happen). In addition, I agree with the agism comment made earlier in these posts.
If Dick was a hot looking 20 something would there be as many outraged posts or would be all be saying "he needs to grow up". Just because a person is over 40 does not mean that they don't still need to "grow up" sometimes. And finally I really don't think that Dick would be saying the same things to any other female in the house. Oh he might rant at them. But he is unlikly to mention the smell of there hoohah or sucking his ** (I have delicate female sensitivites so I won't type 'em out for you. Really I do. All those rumours and actions to the contrary should just be ignored ;)
Remember Jen in the cat suit? Holding her crotch open to show everyone once they told her that it displayed all in great detail? And then her barely wearing the self same outfit? If Jen is too pure to hear the things Dick is saying I can't see it.

Ok so on to our topic of Past Guests and fun, exciting, or really scary things they have done.

I'm really bad at names so please forgive me. I remember a knife weilding phyco that BB did evict. He not only made verbal threats, he looked ready to carry them out on air. CODE RED! CODE RED!
And Eric an someone throwing chairs across the lawn (was that Howie or Kyser?) It was Scott

How about the verbal abuse the 4 horsemen subjected us to evertime they were in the diary room talking about their competitors? I count to!

Oh and speaking of I/we count - Will and Boogie verbeling bashing us on a regular basis with their idea that we are all fat women with cats. I still maintain that I have to cat, thank you very much.

Everyone has mentioned the Busto rant but it bears repeating - Howie was one of my favorites but I was embarrassed for him through that entire thing. And the fact that he thought he was such hot stuff for having done it.

Funny stuff.
Don't mean to keep harping back to S6 but my all time favorite line in BB is Janelle's "give it here bitch" heeheh I almost peed myself laughing.

Least favorite.
Every single "big twist" that BB has ever promised us. So far not a single one has been big or a twist.

"Just put your bag down"
I sometimes wonder if they have that prerecorded and if Julie is not really there at all. Apparently after 7 seasons, the HGs are still too stupid to know that they should put their bag down before they come on over and take a seat.

And someone already said this part much better than I ever could but boy would this house be boring to watch if it was just Amber, Kail, Jameka and Jen. Memories of the final 3 of every single season flit through my mind and threaten to put me to sleep.

So - I wanna hear more about what everyone else liked/hated/laughed at in previous seasons.

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I agree that this is a game. Jen has made several bad comments and she is putting herself in the situation. My mouth dropped when I saw the tea poured. I do think he went too far but as far as his ranting and ravings with Jen, it is making the show. BTW, he isn't the only one making comments about Jen. Several of the other houseguests have made jokes about her STDs. Oh!!! Where does Jen get off on making comments about Dani's moral discrepancies when Jen is hardly wearing clothes and showing everything whenever possible. Now, who has morals?

if showering Jen w/ the tea is ok....wonder how Dick would take it if Jen did the same to Dani LOL! Or verbally berrated Dani!

IMO gameplay should be all about strategy... maybe even lying, cheatin and such. Perhaps even ranting on a player about game related activity. The trash talkin sessions of the nerd herd certainly was not entertaining and Dick's gettin so vulgar about an HG reduces the game to an even lower standard.

It is also quite interesting that with dick and the Dick @night having provided entertainment value, many feel justifed to downgraded his personal attack to Bullying but not verbal abuse! We have all seen what bullying leads to in real life....why accept it in a game??????? A game that can be just as interesting if not even more so when the drama ties in with strategy.

OK Dick does go over a little hard but, at least it is in the open and up front. He may not always be right (mustard,mra,Kail vote) but, he puts it right out there right or wrong, and come on what would there be without the hell fire that is Nick, organ music? And I am so sorry for this but, there was a little girl in me that screamed Booya when the tea hit the B.... sorry again

In the real world, wouldn't the tea incident be considered assault? Just asking.

Some things in previous seasons that have shocked and amused me:

1. Janelle and Beau's cat fight;
2. Will and Nicole's continuous verbal sparring;
3. Shannon's toilet cleaning skills;
4. Marcellas not using the power of veto on himself;
5. Allison playing Nathan;
6. Jennifer's bold-faced lying promise that she wouldn't nominate Kaysar.

i personally was not shocked when it happened at all, this is reality television, the producers did not punish evel cuz this incident is what they want, it has gotten everyone talkin n tryin to put in their two cents, the stupid girl deserved it, the comment she made about daniele while arguin with evel was completely unrelated so i have to give it to her cuz she's vile enuf to try to hurt him by bringin his daughter into their argument, i cannot stand her n no matter what ne one says to her, it'll never penetrate that thick self-absorbed skin of hers, she's simply one of those girls so into themselves that they don't even feel empathy, that's why she continued to talk about herself while layin in bed with a cryin kail instead of what normal ppl would do n comfortin her so called best friend, i actually love evels insults cuz for some reason i hope they get through to her head, she's completely oblivious, even to her feelings for nick, she throws herself at him like when she invited him to sleep in the hoh bed with her n continuously tells him they never talk n she hopes they'll talk soon n admiringly starin up at him but then denies her feelings for him once again by tryin to fight back with the "i don't like muscles or guys with...(gets cut off but lookin at her arm implyin tattoos) when nick was defendin daniele, honestly she's delusional, she says she doesn't like liars but told everyone that when they go home they'll see nick makin out with her within the first three days n tellin others that her n nick faked that whole fiasco to throw ppl off bout their alliance, plus she wants to talk about morals??? what nanny for young kids or even an intelligent woman wears bathing suits that don't fit them so that their cracks show n cheeks hang out, she might as well wear thongs instead of goin thru the trouble of tryin things that are one size too small AND even worse she sat in the hot tub with that unitard n allowed it to slip every now n then revealin her nipples to the guys, even exclaimin out loud "i just saw my nipple". cannot stand her! she's a disgustin example of a woman, it's kinda sad tho cuz most of the comments made about her are guys expressin their desires to do sexually explicit things to her n it's not bad enuf that guys already feel they can say those things to women, like when jase rapped about janelle behind her back in all stars n that mike guy egged him on

There have been plenty of fine seasons without people like Dick in the house. He is repugnent and so are t hose who condone his attitude.